Controversy, the classic debate

This is a classic poster mock-up sent in by one of our customers, thanks Stevan!

Why must our computing preferences be so controversial? Why do we argue over the one thing we have in common?  Why is the main input device for a mac, made for a fucking lobster?  Why do PC’s come bundled with 39 useless applications that peg your processor to a halt fresh out-of-the-box before Norton anti-virus even has an opportunity to suck what little performance remains, directly from the soul of your DDR ram?

Why is Windows Vista trying to be MacOS?  Why do people use MacOS to run Windows? Why can’t I click the same damn corner of a window to close an application? It’s too much for my brain to comprehend. I thought we better start to discuss these hard questions and come up with an answer, then perhaps we can make a shirt out of it.

Post your pro-mac or pro-pc views below as we bring an opener to this age old nonperishable can of worms and start flinging some mud. The gloves are off and we’re calling for an all out blood bath!

As judged by our committee the person who provides the best and most humorous logic explaining “why” their platform of choice stands above the other will win a $50 gift certificate.  Let the battle begin!

28 Responses to “Controversy, the classic debate”

  1. July 21st, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    David Gottschalk says:

    PC.
    Why?
    Gaming.
    Enough said.

  2. July 21st, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Damien says:

    The Mac is the clear choice in the computing wars. It comes with so many features that the PC just plain lacks.
    Observe:
    - Most games don’t run on OS X (and the OS doesn’t come with any pre-installed) so real people doing real work won’t get distracted as easily
    - Everything just makes sense on a Mac. Clicking the plus button makes windows smaller, thereby maximizing the amount of unused screen real estate. As an added bonus iTunes practically disappears
    - The blue screen of death is a much more fashionable grey screen of death with many trendy languages telling you to restart you computer
    - The menu bar is always easy to locate. Why look to the top of the window, near where you’re focusing when you can always just look over to the top of the main display

  3. July 21st, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Eirik says:

    PC, it’s not a closed system.
    Pc is like working capitalism different companies competing to make the best products. Mac on the other hand is like a exstrmist communistic country, focusing all on propaganda.

  4. July 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Marc says:

    *sigh* the PC vs Mac debate.

    For along time I have been a extremist PC supporter, even going as far refusing to touch any Mac product (I’ve been clean for 3 years ;-) ) but recently I’ve come to the realisation that the main problem with Macs isn’t the Mac itself, its the smug, arrogant, ‘Human’ sitting behind it.

    I have several friends that are Mac users and all of them, every single one, is a prick.

    I’m going to sum their attitude towards their Macs and the PC users they consider ‘lower life forms’

    I had just bought a new laptop and took it to collage where my Mac friend said;

    “why did you get that instead of a Mac? My Mac is twice as powerful as that. I bet that thing can’t even run Crysis!”

    to which i replied,

    “well… neither can that”

    the arrogance isn’t limited to the users. the whole apple inc. seems bathed in an aura of self satisfaction.

    At this point I’d like to draw your attention to the ‘Get a Mac’ adverts. Now first I’ll say that only until recently I loved these adverts, I thought they were funny and well made, but then I saw the advert entitled ‘Bean counter’ where they make fun of Microsoft for spending $300 million on an ad campaign and not putting that money towards ‘that operating system’ (i daren’t speak its name, lest my PC think I’m talking about it and slows down to read this). This whole thing boiled my piss, as I’m betting Apple Inc. spent more than that on the 55 adverts in the ‘Get a Mac’ campaign, plus the remakes done with Mitchel and Webb and the Rahmens, plus the redubs into French, German and Spanish and Italian.

    Add to this the fact the the adverts never say whats good about the the Macs, they just constantly attack the PC’s ‘flaws’ (thats in inverted commas because some of the flaws they use are such reaches it boggles the mind) and then smuggly say “Macs don’t have that problem”. They never say why they don’t have those problems, or how the Mac overcomes them.

    The worst thing Apple Inc. and Mac users say is “Macs don’t get viruses because they have better security”. Bullshit. Absolute Bullshit. the reason Macs don’t get viruses is because no one bothers to make them. Why make a virus for a Mac OS when only 5% of the computers out there are running it? I’d much rather make one for windows and its much higher 90% market share thank you very much.

    Now I’m not saying PC’s, and their users are much better. If you meet goit in a forum 99.9% of the time, their a PC user, and 100% of the time if you meet them on a online game.

    The point I’ve been rambling towards is get what you want, Mac or PC, Just don’t be a dick about your choice to others.

    - Lovingly typed on a computer running Ubuntu

    El Sparko

    P.S. After reading this back its very anti-Mac people and i speak little about PC users, but in my experience Mac users are the worst at taking criticism, I can point out a flaw in the windows OS (a real one Mac users) to someone running windows, and we will proceed to have and discussion about said flaw until one party accepts the others point. I try to say something about the Mac OS to a Mac user and they go CRAZY! I have actually been hit for pointing out the irony to a Mac user when seeing them running a Windows emulator (and not in a dicky way I might add). They almost seem too defensive, as if they have a niggling feeling that their OS isn’t as perfect as they want to think…

    anyway, I’m rambling again

  5. July 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Rami says:

    Why do i like Apple Macs? Because of the word “Apple.” I mean who doesn’t like apples? There is apple pie, apple juice, apple cider, apple sauce, apple jam, and there are even kids out there named Apple. What about PC? Sounds like a horrible, horrible, horrible disease. PC? Is that Pancreatic Cancer? I wouldn’t be surprised if Vista causes PC. Oh snap (huh?)!

    Then look at the name Macintosh and Windows. Macintosh just sounds so awesome! Sounds like the name of crime fighting robot. You will be yelling, “Macintosh! Morphesize!” *the “welcome!” music when you first boot your mac starts playing*

    Windows sounds like…windows. Sounds like it’s full of holes or something. Oh wait, Windows is full of holes isn’t it? Bam!

    Mac is better than Windows because of man behind each OS. Who would win in a bitch slap fight? Steve. Who has the cooler name? Steve. Who can rock out in a black turtle sweater? Steve. Who is the only person in the universe that can beat Chuck Norris? Steve. When the boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks the closet for Steve.

    Now give me that $50 or Steve will be hiding in your closet tonight.

  6. July 21st, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    chelidagreat says:

    Mac is generally better. Heck Apple is better than Microsoft.

    I buy their products like almost every other day. Which should be a good thing as an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

  7. July 21st, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Brian says:

    Graphical editing vs Gaming. I think that sums up most of the important arguments. Want a work computer? Mac seems to be the better choice. Want an all around entertainment system, go windows based. Not saying either one can’t do the other and one system is better or worse all around. The choice is simple for me, I like video games. I’m a PC.

    Oh and the Mac fanboys are another story. If this was a debate over which users are better, I wish every person that tried to “convert” me would be forced to a hell in which they have to install gentoo without the manual.

  8. July 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Kat says:

    PC or Mac?
    Neither. One word: Linux.
    Now, stop reading this and go and install Linux.

  9. July 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Freddy J says:

    Go 360!!!….wait…where am I again? Shit….

  10. July 21st, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Tyler says:

    I have to say Mac. Number of reasons for this. There’s very very few problems that I’ve observed, and if there IS a problem, it never takes me long to fix. I’ve never once heard of an issue (certainly not with mine) when it come to viruses/trojans/worms, etc. Mac updates are much faster and pretty painless. Last Vista update I had installed made my PC crash, taking up 2 hours of my time working on it (I consider myself pretty knowledgeable when it comes to computers) plus 4 more for the tech support guy I called to get it fixed (with him screen sharing). Every time I call Apple support, I get someone who speaks flawless English. If I call Microsoft, I get a heavy Indian accent that I can barely understand every single time. When it comes to games, they fall into 2 categories: Ones that you can play on a Mac (Starcraft, Warcraft, Sims, Geneforge, etc.) or I’d rather be playing them on a console (any FPS). The battery life on the laptops is extremely longer on Macbooks, and the life expectancy of them is much greater as well. Also, I’ve had 3 different friends need their laptop repaired or need a new power cord because they dropped it or it got stepped on while they had it plugged in. I abuse mine so much, yet its lasted me over 3 years so far, and it just pops out if someone trips over it. I love going into stores that are dedicated to nothing except helping me out, and the employees actually know what they’re talking about. I could go on and on, but I think that’s a good enough rant for now =)

  11. July 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 am

    kennymatic says:

    Kat: As an avid photographer Linux is just Epic Fail when it comes to photo software. We’ll try this again when Adobe anything runs on Linux.

    And don’t even mention the GIMP. That package needs to die a fiery death.

  12. July 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 am

    peter says:

    What’s a PC?

  13. July 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Daniel M. says:

    I am typing this on a MacBook.

    Ahem.

    I’m a Mac guy. I switched over a couple of years ago, and I haven’t looked back since (except for the Zune HD, that baby looks sweet!). Personally, I think Apple computers are better, that their operating system and overarching design are better than the majority of XP (and ONLY XP, Vista never happened) machines. Problem with that is, you pay a premium. And quite the premium. Even Iwata and Miyamoto would be surprised about its money printing potential.

    But, then again, my last PC (beige box, I forgot the make, but it had been slowly built up to at least place in the graphics race) broke a few times. A fried PSU here, a bad USB card there. But my MacBook has only had one mechanical problem ever: a disk drive failure. I take it into the Apple Store, and go to see a movie (Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, blech), and by the time I got out, the Apple store had already called me to say they had fixed it (that is, replaced the drive. This cost me no money whatsoever.

    For software crashes, I have had probably six (and I put my computer under a fair amount of stress, mind you) system crashes, ever. On my Windows box, I had an exponentially larger number of crashes (but never a BSOD, oddly enough). So, don’t believe what they say. Macs crash, but rarely. Then, the problem with Macs: games. Yeah, they don’t play them. Well, mostly. This MacBook can’t, but I have an iMac in the other room that uses a program called CrossOver (a shareware distro of WINE) that plays TF2, HL2, and HL2:E1 (guess what I’m a fan of!) VERY capably, and with no real work on my end, and I run it in the OS, so technically, it still plays games. But I still don’t have the convenience I’d have on a Windows machine. Which sucks, but I’ve been almost strictly a console gamer since the Dreamcast, so it doesn’t suck that much. Besides, I could play the wondrous game of CHESS! (Actually, I do have a couple of casual games [don't judge me!] that I do play on the machine.)

    Also, the OS. OSX, though it has some weird design choices (minimize and maximize are simply done better on Windows, and the one-button mouse is still a crappy idea), most of the logic behind the scenes makes for a better user experience. I <3 program installation, in a big way. Double for the extremely plug-n-play nature of the system. Unless you have a Samsung Sway AND THEY NEVER MADE THE BLUETOOTH DRIVERS I HATE YOU, you’re pretty much good to go.

    One last thing: Mac fanboys? I hate them. I hate the “yada yada Macs don’t get viruses!” SHUT UP. That’s like saying vegans can’t get mad cow disease. Obviously. I hate people saying Macs don’t crash, because they do. I hate people saying Macs aren’t so expensive, because they are. But I like the system. But don’t think the rest of you have gotten off easy. Don’t think I don’t notice you, Windows fanboys. OSX is fine. You can touch it; it won’t make you gay. Well, it happened to one guy, but he was on the precipice anyway. Macs have flaws, but so does your system. Chill the fuck out. Macs can play games too; they just don’t want to. Let me reiterate. THEY HAVE FLAWS.

    So, in retrospect, why do I like running OSX instead of Windows?

    It’s shinier.

  14. July 22nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    John Messenger says:

    I had a Mac it was col but they force you to buy their bundle of programs. Imovie, garage band? I’m not going to play music or sing? My singing will scare you. I don’t own a camcorder so I don’t need imovie. Mac makes you buy these programs while selling computers that don’t have enough ram installed to run it unless you pay mucho dinero to upgrade to a Mac that can run them properly or upgrade the ram which only Mac can install so you get ripped off on the labor and the theory of Macs not getting viruses is false. That’s why I don’t use the thing anymore. I got the ibot virus and it totally destroyed my Mac. They gave me another one but I lost my info then I visited a site that I didn’t know was made to hack computers and I got hacked. So forget it. I just use my computer from work now.

  15. July 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    White667 says:

    *Ahem* I can’t afford a Mac. Therefore PC’s are better.

  16. July 23rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Adam says:

    I just did a blog post on this subject. I’ll paste it in:

    This is an age old pissing contest, that I refrain from. In fact, I don’t even think one machine is better than the other. However, one side has a certain type of fan that I can’t stand. I’m more than sick of hearing how much Microsoft sucks when reading my RSS feed. I’m there to read about design, and possibly software. Maybe some how-to’s, tutorials, cool links? I don’t want to hear about how much someone loves their Apple products, and hates Microsoft.

    Just for the record, I have two machines that are PCs. My home machine is a PC because I’m into gaming. No console can compete with a decked out PC, and Macs don’t game at all. My work machine is a PC because, for the power I need to do motion graphics and video effects, I simply can’t justify spending $4000 on the tower alone. Not when I can get a machine that goes beyond what I need it to do for $1250. Also, the direct-to-disk software that I use simply isn’t supported by Mac.

    I’ve heard a metaphor several times that goes something like ‘Why have a luxury car engine with a GM body? Why not just get the real thing?’ Fuck all that. You know who drives luxury cars? Douchebags. I’ve worked on powerful Macs for months at a time, and they’re great. About as great as the PC that I have. Although, if I had tonnes of money to get the best Mac has to offer, I would do it. But I probably wouldn’t blog about it :P

  17. July 24th, 2009 at 1:34 am

    Collin says:

    I started on Windows (well, kinda, I started on an Apple IIc, then Atari 800XL, then Apple IIe, then an Amiga, THEN a Windows machine… okay, MSDOS, but eventually Windows on that one) and really knew my way around it but once I got deep into graphic design and illustration I moved to a Mac. I still have a Windows machine for gaming, but my Mac’s my workhorse.

    I will admit that going to a one button mouse was retarded, only surpassed earlier by making a one button ROUND mouse that you couldn’t tell which way was up without looking at it or watching your mouse pointer shoot off in an unexpected direction. The new-ish Mighty Mouse (dumb name) is pretty nice though.

    Also, I may be the only one, but people referring to “PCs” generically as Windows machines grates on me. A Mac is a PC too. Personal Computer. Windows is the operating system.

  18. July 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    austin says:

    All this is is just preference. People have needs, PC meets some, Mac meets others, both have flaws, both have strengths. When it comes to “power” that is the hardware, which generally is exactly the same. Just because Apple calls theirs a “logic board” doesn’t mean its no longer a motherboard, it just means they wanted to pretend they created the damn thing.

    What really seperates the two operating systems is the amount of choices you have. Windows was programmed to provide you with every fathomable option, if logic, math, or science allowed that choice, you’d be able to choose it, sadly this presents thousands of options. People have a hard time choosing. Mac said, well these 3 we think are the best, lets just limit it to that. Usually, they did a good job narrowing down the right 3. That’s all this is, PC has more potential, but you have to study it to use it, Mac does the studying for you so your life can be easier. But if you wanted something other than mac offers, you’re screwed, and if you don’t have the time to study a PC, you’re screwed, so just pick one that’s right for you.

    All these other arguments are about parallel to old white men buying ridiculously expensive cars, overcompensation. The more avidly you defend your OS the more insecure you look, like you have more to hide. Your that homophobic guy at clubs who refuses to come out of the closet yet everyone knows you want to be held in big strong arms.

    So, I’m a PC because I’m nitpicky, I like my options, when I used a mac I felt limited (and no right click at that time was like missing a limb). Plus games tend to run better. One day I’m going to get a mac for school, its easier to schedule yourself on a mac because Outlook is way too convoluted and framed for business.

    But really, using a PC gently massages my ego because I know most people hate them because they lack the patience and intelligence to operate them properly.

    That’s right, I said it,
    YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE PC!

  19. July 24th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Peter McClean says:

    I, like 98% of the WORLD, prefer to run on a PC platform. I am a PC for many reasons, but mainly because I don’t like taking it up the butt and getting charged more for everything, while being able to do less. Trying to do work on what is essentially a dumbed-down toy for morons who can’t work a real computer is BEYOND stupid! Machole fanboys suck!!

    Switch to a PC already! I am a graphics professional w/over 17 years of industry experience, and let me tell you, it’s not like the old days – these days you can do everything that you would be able to do on a Mac on a PC, only at half the cost. Apple does nothing but rape their faithful supporters, discontinuing support for products after only one year, bricking millions of iPhones in an underhanded effort to further boost their (already overpriced) sales, knowingly entering into an exclusive contract w/a service provider (AT&T) that does not even support half of the features on their new phone, offering music only on a monthly subscription basis – with the added insult of unnecessary DRM protection to ensure that if you miss a monthly payment or if the company folds you (the customer) lose everything that you have paid for, filling our landfills with tons of equipment that is obsolete (or no longer “hip”) practically the moment you buy it especially since their products are engineered with built-in batteries so when the battery will no longer hold a charge the entire thing becomes junk, adding extra proprietary charges/fees to each piece of software and every peripheral that you have to buy, and last but not least, if you do any work for the web (like I do), do keep in mind that 98% of the world runs on a PC platform, especially those in the business sector, and things designed and built on a Mac often have SERIOUS display issues when viewed on a PC.

    I truly despise Apple and their insatiable corporate greed, but that’s just my two cents. As a self-employed professional, I have found that switching to a PC platform a few years ago was the best choice I ever made. It has saved me THOUSANDS, just on the costs of software alone. Also, I find that most companies offer FAR better support for PC users than Mac users, as Mac users only constitute a very small minority portion of the entire computer user demographic, no matter what the fanboys would have you have you believe. Oh, and one last thing; I absolutely refuse to call a customer service agent who makes far less than I do yearly a “genius”. If you’re such a “genius”, why would you need to suckle at Steve Jobs’ proverbial teat? Start your own business where you make more than $8 – $12.00/hour, GENIUS!!

    Oh, and just for the record, I run Windows Vista Ultimate, and it has NEVER crashed my PC. It’s a fantastic program, and I couldn’t be happier with it. All my peripherals work just fine, thank you. Macholes are the dirty politicians of the computing world who have to resort to false accusations and mud-slinging against their competitor, since they know they really don’t have a leg to stand on. Think about it. Don’t just be an idiot and believe everything that the media and the black talkie-box (otherwise known as your TV) tells you. That’s called PROGRAMMING, people, and those ads are pay-for-play.

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  21. July 26th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    j burf. says:

    lol. why fight its obvious both of them have “flaws” but its just the companies just dont want to admit them. but tbh im writing this on a laptop on linux so. buy any of them.

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  24. August 5th, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Justin Chau says:

    Throughout time, great conflicts have occurred. Conflicts between giants which have shaped the course of history. Alone,

    these titans would’ve stood tall, but together, head to head, these rivals have achieved feats no mere mortals could have

    dreamed of… feats that are now forever tattooed on the lower back of time.

    Mac vs PC… ahh an epic rivalry that brings to mind many others:
    Ali vs Foreman
    Solid Snake vs Liquid Snake
    Federer vs Nadal
    Clinton vs Obama
    Churchill vs Bonaparte
    Sonic vs Dr Robotnik
    X-Men vs. Street Fighter
    Kane vs Abel
    Intel
    Red vs Blue
    Superman vs Lex Luthor
    Ash vs Gary
    Republican vs Democrat
    Red Rocker vs Blue Bomber
    Montague vs Capulet
    Itchy vs Scratchy
    USA vs USSR
    Mario vs Bowser
    Intel vs AMD
    Pirates vs Ninja

    These two have a history together, so deeply entrenched, their feud for platform dominance has led to more silicon spilt, circuits broken & bytes bitten than ever before in the history of mankind.
    Macintosh went from Apple Lisa to Snow Leopard; Microsoft went from MSDOS to Windows 7. Both have owners so legendary, their surnames are now found in the dictionary.
    Both have rich pasts, and like a good jellywrestling match, each has had their turn on top, only to slip beneath the other like a skimpily clad bikini babe. Configurability, price and a mouse with two buttons plus a scrollwheel were factors that gave PC a foothold over Mac, and their market dominance was consolidated by monopolising business practices. Familiarility and the vast amount of software available has meant the pc to mac user ratio is like the proportion of right-handed:left-handed ratio. One could argue being right handed is better, given that many utensils and controls are ergonomically designed for right-handed people, but southpaws never miss at a tollbooth, have it easier when writing hebrew, have a surprise advantage in sports like tennis, baseball,(may or maynot apply to wii sports) and are faster typists (on a standard qwerty keyboard there are about 3400 words that can be typed solely with the left hand, compared to about 450 words typed solely with the right hand).
    But like communism vs capitalism, Apple is like the Soviet Union’s economics – you can only buy Apple products at prices Apple wants, leading to prices higher than what they deserve, whereas Microsoft is like America’s market system. Soviet Union collapsed a decade ago, and America is in the midst of a GFC. So that analogy doesn’t help us decide whose better.
    So here it is, my last final analogy, so epic, that it is in video form: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM).
    Like Optimus Prime vs Megatron, PC and Mac are forever fighting for the energicons that is the consumer’s wallet, but right now, the winner is Mac, especially given the atrocity that was Vista…but who knows what will happen? Like a transformer movie, there will always be a sequel… with neither ever being truly vanquished in the end.

    (btw the trailer to the sequel of the youtube video is here: http://www.mycomputerisalive.com/)
    Also this is probably the funniest argument in entire mac vs pc debate i’ve read: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

  25. August 6th, 2009 at 6:49 am

    Justin Chau says:

    Mac.
    I constantly tell Windows users that: An apple a day keeps the DrWatson away.
    Plus we all need jobs in this economic climate.

    Also, there’s an awesome band named Fleetwood Mac as a tribute Macintosh. That’s like the ultimate honour.
    Does Windows have a highly successful tribute band? No! (Tinted Windows doesn’t count, they’ve just started).

    Ergo, Mac wins.

  26. August 11th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Joseph says:

    I’ve hated Macs since Elementary School (I’m 24). We got to play The Oregon Trail, on a crappy screen with green writing, and I always died, could never actually win.

    Once school was out, all I remember is going home, turning on our PC and killing a rocket demon with a BFG 9000, not to mention typing in idkfa and iddqd for all weapons and god mode.

    Didn’t get a god mode in The Oregon Trail, I got diarrhea and died.

  27. August 12th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    ClaMs says:

    I have both a PC (self built with XP) and a Mac (MBPro), which I both use religiously, so I can give a fair assessment. I like to compare my PC to a workhorse: I use it for ACAD, games, anything which is particularly heavy tasking. Then, I use my Mac, (which I will refer to as my Highland Pony) to do everything else: mail, surf, browse, chat and a bit of occasional Photoshop.

    In short, I use my PC, only because I have to. Had Fallout 3 and ACAD been released for Mac OSX, the PC would be barely booted up. Sometimes I feel windows was designed to be purposely irritating. Why do I have to go to run>Msconfig to choose which apps start up when I turn on my PC? Why do I have to type in “%Systemroot%\system32\services.msc /s” to choose which program I use for my WiFi? Why do I even neeeeeed other programs to connect to a wifi network?

    *breaths nervously*

    Yes… I think the Mac is the clear winner here. Macs have certainly given a friendlier face to computers.

  28. March 10th, 2010 at 7:03 am

    Computer Guy says:

    Damn, that’s crazy…

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